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« Reply #15 on Apr 15, 2012, 10:25pm » | |
pantherdreams, how do you teach your method of footwork?
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« Reply #16 on Apr 15, 2012, 10:29pm » | |
If your doing single pivot, what do tell your guys to do when shooting on the move?
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« Reply #17 on Apr 15, 2012, 11:03pm » | |
Apr 15, 2012, 6:11pm, coachmurph wrote:| Just saw mike maker dvd. he teaches single pivot...does anyone know what pete newell teaches? |
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He taught inside pivot on the perimeter, baseline foot on the block.
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« Reply #18 on Apr 26, 2012, 2:05pm » | |
Just watched Steve Alford All American Workout Vol II, which I reccomend by the way. Not for $40, but if you can get it other ways then yea sure it will help. Didn't pick up a ton of new drills, except for one ball handling one which was nice, but I like the structure of the workout and it's always nice to have a go to template. Anyway he teaches inside pivot and 1-2 step for shooting on the perimeter off the dribble, jump stop only in the paint or for layups, although says more people need to learn how to lay the ball in off of one foot.
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« Reply #19 on Apr 27, 2012, 8:39am » | |
Apr 15, 2012, 10:25pm, nova wrote:| pantherdreams, how do you teach your method of footwork? |
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We spend a disproportionate amount of time on footwork and foot work reads. But the proper footwork and playing a principled style motion offense also means we don't have to foucs on getting certain action, catches or forcing the ball into spots and ripping and reading to play 1 on 1 in order for the offense to be effective so long term it balances out.
At the most basic level we get gets to catch on a two foot (1 count) stop into shot position and then make sure they put the ball on the deck with a cross over step. Dribble left hand, step with right foot and vice versa.
This is the basic pivot movement and action in each situations. From there we work up to reads on wing catches/perimeter catches 1 on Air, 1 on Coach guided defense, 1 on 1 guided defense, 1 on 1 live, then 2-0 etc the same ways. Until we are making 4 on 4 or 5 on 5 reads. When it becomes less about reading your own defender and more about reading gaps and secondary d.
On any catch the player should be making an anticipatory read (head at angle to rim reading the ball and this own defender with his peripheral vision). The catch defense now determines our attack angle, hand and footwork. If we are being deined or jammed hard on the side you plant foot farthest away from d to slam to the rim. Curl or backdoor determined obivously by defender position (are they closer to high foot or back foot).
ON any clean catch and shoot/catch and get closed out. We should short curl catch and jump into a two foot 1 count shot ready position with the ball. This way we can pick either pivot foot. They now must run hard at the close out to prevent a shot. Whichever side they run at, other foot becomes pivot and we cross over step into the gap with our body now contacting the closing defender and protecting the opposite hand dribble. IF they come square you can pick to attack the widest gap in the secondary defense.
On catches on the interior or cuts player plants foot furthest from the d to maintain balance through contact. Allow a step up/ step through protecting the ball or maximize distance from defense on a pivot away and kick.
If you can get ahold of anythinf from Renato Pasquali former Italian mens national coach and now Technical ADvisor for Canada Basketball its basically he's philosophy and stuff we try to run.
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« Reply #20 on Apr 28, 2012, 1:41am » | |
Here's a video going into more detail about what pantherdreams is talking about:
http://vimeo.com/31793773
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« Reply #21 on May 1, 2012, 9:45pm » | |
Inside foot is how I was taught. And inside foot is what I teach...
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« Reply #22 on May 2, 2012, 8:51am » | |
May 1, 2012, 9:45pm, gunnarjones wrote:| Inside foot is how I was taught. And inside foot is what I teach... |
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I think it is key to have a pivot foot theory that you support and your kids know you expect. So its good that you are clear.
My question would be: is the only reason you teach this because it was taught to you?
There is nothing wrong with this pivot foot theory if you've got reasons, and it matches with your philosophy and longterm plans for athletes. You can however learn how to teach and coach a variety of pivot foot techniques: inside, outside, permanent, dominant, mirror. I think it would be preferable to match your pvot foot philosophy to the rest of your coaching needs and issues not just stick with one because you know it better. I grew up with coaches who taught inside and dominant pivot. When I started coaching I ver quickly became a dominant pivot foot coach. Now because of changes in my outlook and understanding I teach outside/farthest pivot foot.
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« Reply #23 on May 2, 2012, 9:39am » | |
I've watched a good bit of the video that coachberno posted. Having not had a chance to view the entire thing yet, this may be covered in the part that I've not seen, so I apologize if it is!
If a player is moving up to the wing from the corner like in the video, how do you teach your players to catch and shoot with an outside pivot? To me, if I want my players ready to shoot on the catch, an inside pivot would allow for a quicker release.
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« Reply #24 on May 2, 2012, 10:04am » | |
May 2, 2012, 9:39am, albie wrote:I've watched a good bit of the video that coachberno posted. Having not had a chance to view the entire thing yet, this may be covered in the part that I've not seen, so I apologize if it is!
If a player is moving up to the wing from the corner like in the video, how do you teach your players to catch and shoot with an outside pivot? To me, if I want my players ready to shoot on the catch, an inside pivot would allow for a quicker release. |
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It is covered later in the video. There are two parts to the answer:
The basic answer is that he would prefer a regular 1 count two foot stop into the catch. Basically hopping into every catch.
The longer issue is that the idea of catching and shooting is a read. You are going to catch and shoot then you will have made that decision prior to the catch based on your primary read and supported by the pass. Its not catch to pivot ready to shoot if you can. Its I've got a clean catch and shoot so I can cleanly curl the catch to two foot stop into balanced shot or can still pick a pivot foot if I'm a non shooter as defense closes.
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« Reply #25 on May 2, 2012, 10:26am » | |
Do you think that the type of offense you run plays a roll in how you teach the pivot foot? For example, is a certain type of pivot more appropriate for a team that runs flex while a different pivot philosophy might be more appropriate for DDM or motion styles of offense?
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« Reply #26 on May 2, 2012, 10:29am » | |
So you teach your players to hop into every catch then?
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« Reply #27 on May 2, 2012, 10:53am » | |
Titan - Definiitely think your pivot foot theory needs to matchup with how you want the game played. Offense that wants certain people to catch certain places and in every situation obviously require different cuts and foot movements to ensure theses things go on. I don't think 1 is better then the other because you need one that matches your theories and goals. Probably more important to have a theory and good reason for it then which one you have.
Alibe- We 1 count (hop) stop into every shot or late close out situation. Catches we are going to curl/ sweep and go we plant outside pivot.
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« Reply #28 on May 2, 2012, 11:34am » | |
That video has good philosophy points in it, and it's starting to screw with my head on my own philosophies. The entire video explains this point: it's not a matter of your pivot foot philosophy--it's a matter of reading the defender as you move into the catch. This theory is very logical and something I'd like to pursue. But my negative brain is telling me the amount of time it will take to teach this is enormous....
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« Reply #29 on May 2, 2012, 3:32pm » | |
So you're teaching three types of pivots then depending on the read?
If the middle is open, the player's left foot is their pivot foot while they cross step with their right.
If the baseline is open, the player's right foot becomes their pivot foot while they cross step with their left.
If they're open for a jump shot, they one count hop into it.
Correct?
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