Did anyone watch this game? Toward the end of the game and with Purdue leading by about 6 and around a minute to play, Byrd gets trapped near the sideline in the backcourt. He tries to clear some space and "elbows" one of the Nova players, thus being called for an offensive foul (his fifth). Referees look at the video and also assess him a flagrant foul for excessive swinging of the elbows. Nova knocks down both free throws and get the ball - it was a huge turning point in a game Nova won in OT. I officiate in addition to coaching, and one of the points of emphasis this season is the use of elbows in such a manner. I don't know though - in this case (and I'm sorry I can't provide the video), I'm not sure it was "flagrant." Anybody else see this play or have any thoughts?
Post by minerscoach on Nov 16, 2012 12:42:36 GMT -5
I thought the play could have been called a personal offensive foul, but flagrant it was not in my opinion. I thought he made a pivot with a high rip of the ball. I didn't think it was flagrant because his elbows did not rotate any faster than his lower body on the pivot. The defensive player was hit with more of the tricep than the elbow. Just my opinion however, as it is a point of emphasis and was a judgement call.
I don't see at all how that is a flagrant call. And there really is no excuse for it since they used video replay to check for the flagrant. He did not swing his elbows violently, they were in line with his body, and he did not extend in a direction to make contact with the defender. To make that a flagrant call is really a mistake.
To be honest, I'm not even sure where the offensive foul is. Both players double teaming the ball make contact with the offensive player well before he swings his elbow. I do see how you can make the offensive foul call there, but calling that a flagrant is a huge mistake.
I'm going to have to disagree with y'all on this one. I do think it was an offensive foul, and before last season the NCAA changed the wording on flagrant 1 fouls that any illegal contact with the elbow above the shoulders would result in a flagrant foul. Since they called it an offensive foul, and the illegal contact hit the defenders head, then by rule it's a flagrant 1.
Post by gatorhoops on Nov 20, 2012 12:53:14 GMT -5
They changed the rule in NY state recently too. Any contact made above the shoulders by a swinging elbow is a technical foul. Wathcing it, it doesn't look like a flagrant. I agree with you tivo, his elbows stay within his body and I don't even think it looked like he was trying to clear space, just pivoting looking for a place to pass with the ball over his head.